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    OK, so I am looking at building a new Brute for me. I've done quite a few power plants in them in the past and now I am looking for some advise and thoughts on something for my next build that I'll probably keep for a long time.

    I LOVED my Brute HEMI 392 Stroker build but sometimes I thought that it almost has too much power for a daily driver. But, it was a BLAST to drive. Like a Brute Trophy Truck!

    Typically, I am a brand to brand specific guy as in I don't usually like to mix engines and body brand but, the LS engine certainly has some appeal to it. And I've got a huge hookup connection for some serious LS parts with my buddy here in the Daytona area. So we could build a "cool" LS Brute.

    Now same as above the brand mixing is the same if I were to do a Cummins diesel or even the VW diesel. Both would be cool, just not totally sold on the diesel for me in a Brute. But, like to hear some thoughts on it.

    Now something that we've been "researching" a little lately is a SRT10 RAM Viper engine... I know its been done at least once in a TJ and I've even seen one in Germany that was in a YJ. I do know that it would fit. Cooling could be an issue but we'd have the ability of using the bed for a radiator/fan setup which I believe we could handle the cooling.

    So, feel free to chime in but here are a few thoughts on power.
    • HEMI 5.7L:
    • HEMI 6.4L:
    • Mopar 360/401 - Old School style with EFI added:
    • Viper RAM SRT10:
    • Diesel - Cummings or other:
    • Telsa Electric - (not)
    • LS Chevy:
    • 4.0L - Turbo or Supercharger:
    • Other:


    Thanks, Ben
    Last edited by Ben Hedrick; 11-04-2016, 08:08 AM.
    Ben Hedrick
    www.BenHedrick.com
    HEDRICK Speedsports

    "Ive got a Jeep problem"
    2007 5.7L HEMI Sahara Unlimited - Sold
    2010 6.1L HEMI Rubicon Unlimited - Sold
    2011 6.4L (392) HEMI Rubicon Unlimited - Sold
    2002 4.0L AEV Brute - Sold
    2003 6.4L "Stroker" HEMI AEV Brute - Sold
    2005 4.0L SC AEV K9 Brute - Sold
    2014 345 HEMI Rubicon Xpo Adventurer
    2000 4.0L AEV 112 Long Wheelbase
    2006 4.0L AEV Brute Rubicon

  • #2
    How about a V8 Diesel out of a 79 Series Landcruiser.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by skennedy View Post
      How about a V8 Diesel out of a 79 Series Landcruiser.
      Scott Scott Scott, I said that I would "consider" jumping brands but put a Toyata in a Jeep... Come'on man!!!

      Ben
      Ben Hedrick
      www.BenHedrick.com
      HEDRICK Speedsports

      "Ive got a Jeep problem"
      2007 5.7L HEMI Sahara Unlimited - Sold
      2010 6.1L HEMI Rubicon Unlimited - Sold
      2011 6.4L (392) HEMI Rubicon Unlimited - Sold
      2002 4.0L AEV Brute - Sold
      2003 6.4L "Stroker" HEMI AEV Brute - Sold
      2005 4.0L SC AEV K9 Brute - Sold
      2014 345 HEMI Rubicon Xpo Adventurer
      2000 4.0L AEV 112 Long Wheelbase
      2006 4.0L AEV Brute Rubicon

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      • #4
        I'm trying to find out more about the forthcoming cummins tj drop in motor. I saw a blurb about it in a SEMA article. It was in one of the Dirt Every Day builds or something. Probably the truck that Fred Williams drove under water. I am dreaming about building one before it gets too hard to find a good donor TJ (without spending the cost of a JK to buy one). It would take a little doing to figure out the axle gearing though, but I should think it would be worth it in the end.
        Matt Peckham

        2006 Highline LJ
        3" Nth/OME/JKS
        37" KM2's
        4.88's ARB

        2011 Ram 2500
        Thuren control arms
        Katla's 37" Toyo R/T's

        47 CJ2A

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        • #5
          Originally posted by MPeckham View Post
          I'm trying to find out more about the forthcoming cummins tj drop in motor. I saw a blurb about it in a SEMA article.
          Yes, I too saw that from SEMA. That is a VERY good option that I will explore heavily. I'd switch brands for that. Need to get some more info and pricing on it. I've got a call into them already.

          Ben
          Ben Hedrick
          www.BenHedrick.com
          HEDRICK Speedsports

          "Ive got a Jeep problem"
          2007 5.7L HEMI Sahara Unlimited - Sold
          2010 6.1L HEMI Rubicon Unlimited - Sold
          2011 6.4L (392) HEMI Rubicon Unlimited - Sold
          2002 4.0L AEV Brute - Sold
          2003 6.4L "Stroker" HEMI AEV Brute - Sold
          2005 4.0L SC AEV K9 Brute - Sold
          2014 345 HEMI Rubicon Xpo Adventurer
          2000 4.0L AEV 112 Long Wheelbase
          2006 4.0L AEV Brute Rubicon

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          • #6
            Hey Ben.

            It has been done plenty, but the 5.7 is a great "fit" power-wise, especially if you think your 6.4 was a bit much.

            I am a really big fan of the turbo set up on a 4.0. Who ever knew they had a rev-limiter? The one we built was a lot of fun, and we will be upgrading it again with the later released intercooler system. The owner of the matte black Brute has been out of town, but I'd expect the install in the next few months.

            -Chris Wasnesky

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            Chris

            2006 Rubicon Unlimited
            AEV Highline
            Nth Degree longarm

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            • #7
              Originally posted by thewas4x View Post
              Hey Ben.

              It has been done plenty, but the 5.7 is a great "fit" power-wise, especially if you think your 6.4 was a bit much.

              I am a really big fan of the turbo set up on a 4.0. Who ever knew they had a rev-limiter? The one we built was a lot of fun, and we will be upgrading it again with the later released intercooler system. The owner of the matte black Brute has been out of town, but I'd expect the install in the next few months.

              -Chris Wasnesky

              Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk
              Thanks Chris and yes, the 5.7L HEMI is certainly on a short list. That would be a great option and I've already got several key parts for this one. I'd LOVE to be able to drive one of the Banks Turbo 4.0L as I too have heard great things about this package. It would make a real clean and fun daily driver for sure.

              Right now I am really torn between an over the top build or a really clean fun driver. I think it really has come down to these three options; 5.7L HEMI, 4.0L Turbo or the Cummins diesel crate engine. Need to wait to see what this Cummins option turns out to before sure.

              Good hear from you too!! You've been hiding too much. Stop by more often.

              Ben
              Ben Hedrick
              www.BenHedrick.com
              HEDRICK Speedsports

              "Ive got a Jeep problem"
              2007 5.7L HEMI Sahara Unlimited - Sold
              2010 6.1L HEMI Rubicon Unlimited - Sold
              2011 6.4L (392) HEMI Rubicon Unlimited - Sold
              2002 4.0L AEV Brute - Sold
              2003 6.4L "Stroker" HEMI AEV Brute - Sold
              2005 4.0L SC AEV K9 Brute - Sold
              2014 345 HEMI Rubicon Xpo Adventurer
              2000 4.0L AEV 112 Long Wheelbase
              2006 4.0L AEV Brute Rubicon

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              • #8
                Having had the banks turbo in the green Brute it is a no brainer upgrade for the 4.0. With the Cummins coming out if it is somewhat reasonable which I expect it to be the new Brute will be getting this. I like the 360 Dodge engine but don't think it is any more cost effective to swap than the Hemi.

                Pete

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by PeteEinMT View Post
                  With the Cummins coming out if it is somewhat reasonable which I expect it to be the new Brute will be getting this.
                  Pete
                  A wise man has spoken. Probably true. Maybe.

                  Ben
                  Ben Hedrick
                  www.BenHedrick.com
                  HEDRICK Speedsports

                  "Ive got a Jeep problem"
                  2007 5.7L HEMI Sahara Unlimited - Sold
                  2010 6.1L HEMI Rubicon Unlimited - Sold
                  2011 6.4L (392) HEMI Rubicon Unlimited - Sold
                  2002 4.0L AEV Brute - Sold
                  2003 6.4L "Stroker" HEMI AEV Brute - Sold
                  2005 4.0L SC AEV K9 Brute - Sold
                  2014 345 HEMI Rubicon Xpo Adventurer
                  2000 4.0L AEV 112 Long Wheelbase
                  2006 4.0L AEV Brute Rubicon

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ben Hedrick View Post
                    OK, so I am looking at building a new Brute for me. I've done quite a few power plants in them in the past and now I am looking for some advise and thoughts on something for my next build that I'll probably keep for a long time.

                    I LOVED my Brute HEMI 392 Stroker build but sometimes I thought that it almost has too much power for a daily driver. But, it was a BLAST to drive. Like a Brute Trophy Truck!

                    Typically, I am a brand to brand specific guy as in I don't usually like to mix engines and body brand but, the LS engine certainly has some appeal to it. And I've got a huge hookup connection for some serious LS parts with my buddy here in the Daytona area. So we could build a "cool" LS Brute.

                    Now same as above the brand mixing is the same if I were to do a Cummins diesel or even the VW diesel. Both would be cool, just not totally sold on the diesel for me in a Brute. But, like to hear some thoughts on it.

                    Now something that we've been "researching" a little lately is a SRT10 RAM Viper engine... I know its been done at least once in a TJ and I've even seen one in Germany that was in a YJ. I do know that it would fit. Cooling could be an issue but we'd have the ability of using the bed for a radiator/fan setup which I believe we could handle the cooling.

                    So, feel free to chime in but here are a few thoughts on power.
                    • HEMI 5.7L:
                    • HEMI 6.4L:
                    • Mopar 360/401 - Old School style with EFI added:
                    • Viper RAM SRT10:
                    • Diesel - Cummings or other:
                    • Telsa Electric - (not)
                    • LS Chevy:
                    • 4.0L - Turbo or Supercharger:
                    • Other:


                    Thanks, Ben
                    I vote for an LS 430 HP. There is a reason why they are under so many hoods at SEMA and the 6L80 trans is awesome as well with an excellent price point! Compact and easy fit too.
                    2012 JK 2 Door 2.5" AEV lift/ Fuel Hostage17 x 9 wheels, with Nitto 295x70 x 17 Tires. Warn Vr8000, Elite Bumper, LOD rear bumper, Teraflex tire carrier. Wife's Jeep!

                    My Jeep. 2014 JKU, 6.4L Hemi AEV kit, 2.5" AEV lift, 35" Duratrac's. Gen Right aluminum bumpers, Warn VR 8000 winch. Pro Rock 44.

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                    • #11
                      Muscle truck build!!! as cool at the v10 is I'd rather see the 6.4 with a 5 speed auto, but I'd really love to see another one ton on 40s build.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Will Cabell View Post
                        Muscle truck build!!! as cool at the v10 is I'd rather see the 6.4 with a 5 speed auto, but I'd really love to see another one ton on 40s build.
                        Will, good thought but I can tell you, it won't be on 40's...

                        This will be a Brute that I want to drive around and even 37's on a TJ/Brute setup is about as max as I'd go. I've driven that orange Brute with 40's and it isn't for me...

                        Ben

                        PS: Let's build you one though.
                        Ben Hedrick
                        www.BenHedrick.com
                        HEDRICK Speedsports

                        "Ive got a Jeep problem"
                        2007 5.7L HEMI Sahara Unlimited - Sold
                        2010 6.1L HEMI Rubicon Unlimited - Sold
                        2011 6.4L (392) HEMI Rubicon Unlimited - Sold
                        2002 4.0L AEV Brute - Sold
                        2003 6.4L "Stroker" HEMI AEV Brute - Sold
                        2005 4.0L SC AEV K9 Brute - Sold
                        2014 345 HEMI Rubicon Xpo Adventurer
                        2000 4.0L AEV 112 Long Wheelbase
                        2006 4.0L AEV Brute Rubicon

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                        • #13
                          I'm already in line for the new Cummins 2.8, advance adapters has all the parts to make it happen and with the common rail architecture it's programmable with real world values closer to 250hp/400lbs torque. Should be a badass little brute motor. First quarter 2017 $12kish if I remember correctly
                          98 Brute
                          Portal-Teks/ARB's/RCVs/CTIS
                          Brute and Highline Kit
                          5.7 Hemi
                          Getrag 238 6 speed
                          Rubicon 241
                          40" Toyo's/Hutchinson FC Wheels
                          JK Unlimited Frame
                          Blah Blah Blah

                          97 F350 CCLB
                          38" Toyo's on Hutchinsons
                          Deavers/2.5" Kings/Long Travel Airbags
                          ARB's/35 Spline Chromos

                          05 XR650R
                          Street legal and RTW prepped

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Offroad Engineering View Post
                            I'm already in line for the new Cummins 2.8, advance adapters has all the parts to make it happen and with the common rail architecture it's programmable with real world values closer to 250hp/400lbs torque. Should be a badass little brute motor. First quarter 2017 $12kish if I remember correctly
                            Great info!! Thanks!

                            Ben
                            Ben Hedrick
                            www.BenHedrick.com
                            HEDRICK Speedsports

                            "Ive got a Jeep problem"
                            2007 5.7L HEMI Sahara Unlimited - Sold
                            2010 6.1L HEMI Rubicon Unlimited - Sold
                            2011 6.4L (392) HEMI Rubicon Unlimited - Sold
                            2002 4.0L AEV Brute - Sold
                            2003 6.4L "Stroker" HEMI AEV Brute - Sold
                            2005 4.0L SC AEV K9 Brute - Sold
                            2014 345 HEMI Rubicon Xpo Adventurer
                            2000 4.0L AEV 112 Long Wheelbase
                            2006 4.0L AEV Brute Rubicon

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                            • #15
                              LS in a brute

                              Ben,

                              I have a LS with the 4l60E trans in my brute with 37's and 4:56's. works great and lots of parts out there for that swap. I have run the same setup in a CJ for 10 years without an issue. The issue in a brute is the gauges. You can make the stock ones work but that means your running two computers.

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