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  • Austin Martin
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    Originally posted by AEV_Matt View Post

    What would you like to know...why has JL Bumper development taken so long? Without getting too far into the weeds, we have been experimenting with a lot of new processes and materials that we have never used before. Innovation is not easy and the process to do so does not always go as planned. Different types of metal react differently in crash scenarios. Different types of metal have different forming restrictions and capabilities. Different types of metal have different yield strengths. Finding the right combination is critical to achieve what we want to bring to market. We are in it for the long game, so we are not going to rush anything. We have an internal plan to try and get at least one of our JL bumper designs to market to satisfy some of the consumer demand while we continue to work on the other variations.

    MF
    I have owned AEV Jeeps for over 9 years and I agree their quality and commitment to proper testing and evaluation is second to none. I, for one, am willing to wait for their products but I do think that they as a company could be a bit more transparent about delays, time-lines, and issues once they come up and arise. Sometimes it nice to be updated regarding the process and especially when the core base of their customers (people who have bought, used, and valued their products) is based right here on the forum.

    This reply could have simply come sooner

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  • JeepinJon
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    Originally posted by JL John View Post
    What finish will the bumpers have? Ready to purchase some AEV Borah wheels and I would like the finish to match if possible.....
    If I were a betting person it will be a textured black powdercoat like their other bumpers.

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  • JL John
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    What finish will the bumpers have? Ready to purchase some AEV Borah wheels and I would like the finish to match if possible.....

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  • JeepinJon
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    Originally posted by JL John View Post
    Matt,
    For starters, I want to extend my sincerest thank you for the response. Now you have me excited but even more curious! Can you elaborate on what the various "designs" are? For example, do you mean you are going to try to release at least one material compound to market for now or are there actually going to be various aesthetic changes with the different variations? I'm not even considering any other options other than AEV for my JL, but I also don't want to pull the trigger too fast if you will potentially have a better option in a few months.
    AEV has said it will be a modular bumper that can be full or mid width, and different full width options depending on the fenders. I am guessing they are looking to get one version out the door while they keep working on various configurations of the "wings" for lack of better term. The new bumper looks much more complex from a design and engineering stance, but from a customer point it seems much more configurable.

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  • JL John
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    Matt,
    For starters, I want to extend my sincerest thank you for the response. Now you have me excited but even more curious! Can you elaborate on what the various "designs" are? For example, do you mean you are going to try to release at least one material compound to market for now or are there actually going to be various aesthetic changes with the different variations? I'm not even considering any other options other than AEV for my JL, but I also don't want to pull the trigger too fast if you will potentially have a better option in a few months.

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  • AEV_Matt
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    Originally posted by JL John View Post

    Dave,
    I appreciate your insight and it would make a lot of sense to me if literally every other manufacturer hadn't figured all of this out over a year ago. For what AEV charges or likely will charge for these things are we really supposed to accept the excuse of "golly g guys, this is hard"? And if that really is the truth then why not just say so? Apparently you can't even shame the moderators of this forum into a response. People are literally praising the company's products but begging for a little information and not so much as a peep out of AEV. Ok, I'm done whining for now.
    What would you like to know...why has JL Bumper development taken so long? Without getting too far into the weeds, we have been experimenting with a lot of new processes and materials that we have never used before. Innovation is not easy and the process to do so does not always go as planned. Different types of metal react differently in crash scenarios. Different types of metal have different forming restrictions and capabilities. Different types of metal have different yield strengths. Finding the right combination is critical to achieve what we want to bring to market. We are in it for the long game, so we are not going to rush anything. We have an internal plan to try and get at least one of our JL bumper designs to market to satisfy some of the consumer demand while we continue to work on the other variations.

    MF

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  • JeepinJon
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    Originally posted by JL John View Post

    Dave,
    I appreciate your insight and it would make a lot of sense to me if literally every other manufacturer hadn't figured all of this out over a year ago. For what AEV charges or likely will charge for these things are we really supposed to accept the excuse of "golly g guys, this is hard"? And if that really is the truth then why not just say so? Apparently you can't even shame the moderators of this forum into a response. People are literally praising the company's products but begging for a little information and not so much as a peep out of AEV. Ok, I'm done whining for now.
    No other manufacturer that I have seen crash tests their vehicles to make sure they meet all applicable safety standards. If AEV didn't test the coating, crash test their products, and do most of the stuff they did then the products would have been out long ago.

    Hoe many other manufacturers bumpers do you see on other forums where there is an accident with frame damage on a Jeep, but the bumper is still holding strong? They use this to show off how strong the bumper is, but it defeats all of the safety that Jeep builds into the JL.

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  • JL John
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    After attending the latest open house, this is my take away. The bumpers as most of you know are all new compared to the JL products in both looks and the manufacturing process which is now using hot stamped boron steel. This process makes the bumpers stronger, while also being thinner thus lighter. The bumpers have been around since last year at SEMA and with the manufacturing and design in place could be released to market most likely today if it were not for crash testing and safety certifications. There is a fine line between a bumpers steel being too hard or too soft as it greatly effects a vehicles crumple zones, airbag deployment, and the bumpers crush cans. Think about the engineering behind this. I'd love to see these available, but I can also see how it would be impossible to give a release date when I'm guessing that federal regulators and safety tests are most likely the determining factors for a final release date.
    Dave,
    I appreciate your insight and it would make a lot of sense to me if literally every other manufacturer hadn't figured all of this out over a year ago. For what AEV charges or likely will charge for these things are we really supposed to accept the excuse of "golly g guys, this is hard"? And if that really is the truth then why not just say so? Apparently you can't even shame the moderators of this forum into a response. People are literally praising the company's products but begging for a little information and not so much as a peep out of AEV. Ok, I'm done whining for now.

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  • Daveh
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    After attending the latest open house, this is my take away. The bumpers as most of you know are all new compared to the JL products in both looks and the manufacturing process which is now using hot stamped boron steel. This process makes the bumpers stronger, while also being thinner thus lighter. The bumpers have been around since last year at SEMA and with the manufacturing and design in place could be released to market most likely today if it were not for crash testing and safety certifications. There is a fine line between a bumpers steel being too hard or too soft as it greatly effects a vehicles crumple zones, airbag deployment, and the bumpers crush cans. Think about the engineering behind this. I'd love to see these available, but I can also see how it would be impossible to give a release date when I'm guessing that federal regulators and safety tests are most likely the determining factors for a final release date.

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  • Chuck Cohn
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    I too am losing patience with AEV. I had owned a few AEV Jeeps, including a Brute Double Cab. Their attention to detail and the R&D behind the products is fantastic. That being said, the communication with customers is abysmal. I was working with getting a tailgate repaired with them for 6 months. The warranty guy that was "helping" me apparently left AEV. I only found this out after months of silence from them. When I got back in touch with AEV and the new warranty guy, he suggested I simply get the tailgate repaired locally rather than a new one shipped to me like the original guy said he would do. I did this only to now have AEV say they would see what they could cover towards my repair costs I paid to fix it. It's now been another month of no return emails or returned phone calls.

    I know I am far from their best customer and certainly not Chevrolet, but this is making me strongly question my AEV loyalty.

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  • GSADON
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    Originally posted by JeepinJon View Post

    The issue AEV would have is if January came and went because their bolt manufacturer/cardboard company missed the deadline then AEV looks bad. That is why AEV has always been silent on release dates until the product has been made, boxed, and ready to go out the door.
    Has anybody that moderates this forum answered when a target date is now? Last I saw posted it was summer target date. We are way past that now. Maybe they are working on centering the tire with the carrier lol.

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  • JeepinJon
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    Originally posted by peteinny View Post
    John,
    I'm so with you on this. I would have thought they would have had some sort of response on this site. Just a little communication would be nice. If its January that would be ok but it would be nice to know.
    The issue AEV would have is if January came and went because their bolt manufacturer/cardboard company missed the deadline then AEV looks bad. That is why AEV has always been silent on release dates until the product has been made, boxed, and ready to go out the door.

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  • peteinny
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    John,
    I'm so with you on this. I would have thought they would have had some sort of response on this site. Just a little communication would be nice. If its January that would be ok but it would be nice to know.

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  • JL John
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    One of the JL Forums had a posting from someone that claims to have been told by AEV that the new target release date is January 2020 for the AEV JL Bumpers. Several subsequent posts were from extremely annoyed supporters of AEV saying they were done waiting and going to purchase a competitor's product instead. I'm not quite there yet, I'm going to try to wait it out because I still believe it is worth the wait for the AEV products. However, I too am starting to lose patience and think that a little communication would go a long way. So many unanswered posts create the wrong perception in my opinion.

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  • peteinny
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    I think its a shame that AEV has been keeping potential customers in the dark on this. I do like their stuff but it has been a while that the JL has been out and their items seem to be slow in hitting the market with very little communication. You would think they would at least they would update their website to include more of a section for the JL. AEV. Whats going on?

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